Comments on: Scientific Conclusion: Prayer Doesn’t Work – Part 1 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/ Secular Floridians Speaking Out Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:50:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Insulting Dying Parents. I’m such an asshole, right? « BaconMouth http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-519 Insulting Dying Parents. I’m such an asshole, right? « BaconMouth Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:03:42 +0000 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/?p=785#comment-519 [...] Backing up my claims. Source1 Source2 Source3 [...] [...] Backing up my claims. Source1 Source2 Source3 [...]

]]> By: Don’t Pray for Japan | An American Atheist http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-513 Don’t Pray for Japan | An American Atheist Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:49:33 +0000 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/?p=785#comment-513 [...] articles and studies have discussed the proof that prayer, statistically, is irrelevant: it’s as useful as animal [...] [...] articles and studies have discussed the proof that prayer, statistically, is irrelevant: it’s as useful as animal [...]

]]> By: The Power of Prayer | The Modes of Being http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-510 The Power of Prayer | The Modes of Being Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:14:37 +0000 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/?p=785#comment-510 [...] pray for peace in a particular region or group of people.  While others have reasoned that prayer does not, and cannot work, the opposite is actually true; prayer does and can work.  How?  The answer is all in the [...] [...] pray for peace in a particular region or group of people.  While others have reasoned that prayer does not, and cannot work, the opposite is actually true; prayer does and can work.  How?  The answer is all in the [...]

]]> By: Jon L. Weininger http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-212 Jon L. Weininger Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:48:25 +0000 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/?p=785#comment-212 Two things: 1) I'm not sure you understand what Christian prayer is. In your hopes of speaking objectively on the topic, surely you would admit that you couldn't do that if you fundamentally misunderstood prayer. Right? 2) You raise a number of thoughtful, fascinating points. However, you seem to have a double standard. In Byrd's experiment he simply couldn't be objective because of his religious views; yet, you and other scientists who don't share his views can objectively critique him. It's important to see this argumentation method for what it is: an unfair standard which you hold Byrd to but excuse yourself from. A very reasonable question to ponder is this: if the supernatural is bogus, surely science will be eventually able to either disprove it or expose its most fundamental contradictions. I happily concede the possibility of this. However, if the supernatural is true, then science that assumed the supernatural to be false would be working in a framework of flawed assumptions--using a kind of blindness no reasonable person would respect. Would you happily concede the possibility of that? Two things:
1) I’m not sure you understand what Christian prayer is. In your hopes of speaking objectively on the topic, surely you would admit that you couldn’t do that if you fundamentally misunderstood prayer. Right?
2) You raise a number of thoughtful, fascinating points. However, you seem to have a double standard. In Byrd’s experiment he simply couldn’t be objective because of his religious views; yet, you and other scientists who don’t share his views can objectively critique him. It’s important to see this argumentation method for what it is: an unfair standard which you hold Byrd to but excuse yourself from.

A very reasonable question to ponder is this: if the supernatural is bogus, surely science will be eventually able to either disprove it or expose its most fundamental contradictions. I happily concede the possibility of this. However, if the supernatural is true, then science that assumed the supernatural to be false would be working in a framework of flawed assumptions–using a kind of blindness no reasonable person would respect. Would you happily concede the possibility of that?

]]> By: Joel http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/785/scientific-conclusion-prayer-doesnt-work-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Joel Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:39:17 +0000 http://www.floridafreethinkers.com/?p=785#comment-127 Haha, going to read Pt. 2 Haha, going to read Pt. 2

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